have you ever gone shopping in a department store for shoes or clothes?.
do you just walk over to the rack or shelf and select what you want without trying anything on to see if it fits?.
no.. what good would that do?
Gubberningbody said:
Terry, suppose that what's handed down in the Bible is just revisionist history written in the style of magical realism.
Why would I use it to reason out anything?
Well, you and I and Terry may know that to be the case, but it's a conclusion we've all reached after looking at other supporting evidence.
However, it's over-reaching here, since it's not the topic of THIS thread (God's inability to discern evil).
ive had a few discussions both here and in real life and often find people excuse the ot with all its vile, violence and only concentrate on jesus because he was good.
i try and assk them to show me an example and they of course they quickly tell us about the miracles, and thats fine.
however when you ask them about slavery, violence, women and so on they make excuses.
Tams said:
Then man should at least be able to end the suffering to others caused by man.
Pop quiz:
Did God ever give man the responsibility and authority to avenge crimes/sins (such as murder)? Yes or No?
If yes, where in the Bible is this authority granted to man?
ive had a few discussions both here and in real life and often find people excuse the ot with all its vile, violence and only concentrate on jesus because he was good.
i try and assk them to show me an example and they of course they quickly tell us about the miracles, and thats fine.
however when you ask them about slavery, violence, women and so on they make excuses.
NC said:
Of course---god really can't be expected to comfort those that are hurt by MAN for godsakes.
Wait a minute: WHO wants to take credit for making mankind again? Was that Darwin? Or was it YHWH?
I made a video about that, with YHWH always willing to take the credit for making man, but not wanting to accept the blame.
(premise is a couple of product liability lawyers who run an infomercial, looking for injured parties (like all the drug product liability ads you see).
They want to sue God Almighty, using principles of product liability law, for making a defective product (mankind), then screwing up the recall (the Flood), and then calling off further efforts to fix the problem when the Flood goes horribly wrong)
i didn't see her, but just ron did.
she said hello and asked if we were all ok. just ron said we were all great and that seemed to really blow her mind.
they just can't wrap their heads around the idea that we could flee the borg and be happy, healthy, and not miserable..
Just Ron said we were all great and that seemed to really blow her mind. They just can't wrap their heads around the idea that we could flee the borg and be happy, healthy, and not miserable.
Clearly they're going to need to set their Shun Guns™ to 'full strength (10)' now, as the lower settings are NOT getting the desired effect....
have you ever gone shopping in a department store for shoes or clothes?.
do you just walk over to the rack or shelf and select what you want without trying anything on to see if it fits?.
no.. what good would that do?
Paulnotsaul said:
My wife and I discussed this scripture Genesis 6:5-8 in dept awhile ago. In the ( KJV ) it say's God "repenth".
It gets worse, as YHWH regrets making mankind, but then REGRETS wiping out mankind in a flood, which is offered as the reason He created rainbows. So the omniscient, all-knowing (including knowing the future, the entire basis for Biblical prophecy) didn't see either ONE of those events coming? M'kay. That completes the 'flip', with a 'flop'. He changes his mind, not ONCE, but TWICE.
"Regret" (Hebrew is necham) is a so-called "surprise" emotion, which is limited to us non-omniscients (mortals who don't know the future). I like to illustrate that idea by saying, "you cannot sneak up on YHWH and elicit a startle response by saying "Booh!", as He knows you're coming".
The Torah's authors blew YHWH's character traits, much like a continuity error that is seen on any man-made TV show, movies, etc. It is like if Superman were to appear in a comic book wearing a Kryptonite ring, which he said he was wearing for "good luck": long-time fans would howl over the mistake, since it indicates internal inconsistencies in the character. In their defense, the writers of the story ("Moses") didn't know that YHWH would later be described as "all-knowing" (that's a later trait added to Non-Torahaic scriptures).
OF course, apologetists will say it wasn't an error, but an attempt to "humanize God" to make him more human-like, more fallible. Sure....
Heck, I don't want a God whom I feel like I can sit down and enjoy a beer with, I want one who actually gets God's work done!! :)
ive had a few discussions both here and in real life and often find people excuse the ot with all its vile, violence and only concentrate on jesus because he was good.
i try and assk them to show me an example and they of course they quickly tell us about the miracles, and thats fine.
however when you ask them about slavery, violence, women and so on they make excuses.
How can 250 000 years of human suffering be the fault of other humans?
Not to mention those humans who've died of natural disasters, familes triggered by drought, disease, pestilence, volcanoes, floods, tornados, hurricanes, earthquakes, etc.
Man's fault, all of it, huh? NOT God's, but man's?
men have struggled with the same big questions since gaining self-awareness, millions of years ago, asking "what is the purpose of life?
" some have attempted to simply numb their brains to not feel the pain by turning to mythical and magical nepenthe-like substances; others have tried to fill in the uncomfortable gaps with religion, career, personal accomplishments, and so on.. i think no one has expressed the simple truth of the matter in words more eloquent, yet simple, than james taylor.
his song strikes me as a truth that is universal, honest, and more transcendent than any..... try not to try too hard.... .
Nothing, just thought you'd like it... Does there need to be a reason for things to happen? ;)
ive had a few discussions both here and in real life and often find people excuse the ot with all its vile, violence and only concentrate on jesus because he was good.
i try and assk them to show me an example and they of course they quickly tell us about the miracles, and thats fine.
however when you ask them about slavery, violence, women and so on they make excuses.
I bumped it to the top (called the meaning of life, revealed)
men have struggled with the same big questions since gaining self-awareness, millions of years ago, asking "what is the purpose of life?
" some have attempted to simply numb their brains to not feel the pain by turning to mythical and magical nepenthe-like substances; others have tried to fill in the uncomfortable gaps with religion, career, personal accomplishments, and so on.. i think no one has expressed the simple truth of the matter in words more eloquent, yet simple, than james taylor.
his song strikes me as a truth that is universal, honest, and more transcendent than any..... try not to try too hard.... .
btt for NC
ive had a few discussions both here and in real life and often find people excuse the ot with all its vile, violence and only concentrate on jesus because he was good.
i try and assk them to show me an example and they of course they quickly tell us about the miracles, and thats fine.
however when you ask them about slavery, violence, women and so on they make excuses.
Ah, so I see we're kicking the ol' theodicy can around a bit now, too? 3,000 yrs later, and you all don't have it solved? :)
No... it is the fault of mankind around him.
Just like it's the fault of the mankind around the slaves for their being enslaved, and the fault of mankind for the rape victims being victimized, etc. It's not like the Son of Man MIGHT have said something as a stop-gap measure, until Armageddon? Huh, must've slipped his mind...
So Tammy, let me see if I got it straight: you're saying, God = Good, Man = Bad? Gotcha.
Absolutely pointless, dealing with a nihilist Xian apologist. Imagine having to worship a God who is THAT cruel, in order to save your own neck (and then having it all be a big lie, anyway)! What a dreadful, bleak architecture someone's soul would have to become, in order to think like that!!
Hey, NC, didya ever see the thread I started for you yesterday? :)
